“Elijafeathers’ new rant with recast “math” is so highly flawed I don’t even know where to begin. While pulling assumptions out of their ass, they also assume that all those people who bought recasts were ever going to pay legit prices and deal with the wait times. It also assumes that the money that goes out of the legit market never comes back in, and completely ignores the impact that recast owners have on the clothing and aesthetics side of the hobby. Take it with a grain of salt.”
#2257 (via recastconfessions)
Okay so let’s address a few points:
My recent post is not a ‘rant’. I am a bit snarky with my wording, but it’s not a rant, it’s literally an estimation, and a rough one at that. If anyone feels like actually going through that whole list and pricing each doll at blank state with fantasy parts as are generally offered by recasters, they’re absolutely free to do so, and they’ll produce an even more accurate result of the total amount of money that the company looses to recasts. I think considering the number of Iplehouse, Soom, and Volks recasts that setting the average legit price at 500 per doll is fair for this little numbercrunch.
if you want to take it a step further you can also try figuring in which companies actually discontinue dolls, vs which ones offer them for resale again after their ‘limited run’ ends (such as Iplehouse offering ‘limited’ heads through the CDS, or Soom’s events.)
My argument actually doesn’t factor in the secondhand market at all, what you’re looking at is the raw net loss with the numbers I’ve used for my assumption. You can create your own version of this with what numbers you deem reasonable. For for example, let’s say you think the average price is only 200 per legit doll (lol these are actually recast prices now). $200 x 466 dolls = $93,200 for a total ‘set’ of recast dolls. Let’s then say you think that there are only five of each recast sold on average. You now take the cost of one ‘set’ of recasts, 93,200 USD, and multiply it by 5. The result using those number is $466,000. That’s $466,000 stolen from the artist— and before you argue that no one would have paid legit prices, keep in mind that a recaster has no right to profit off of the art of these companies. That is $466,000 dollars worth of dolls that they will never see or touch or use to fund their own buisness.
If you want to argue that any particular doll is paid for once by a recaster, than you must also divide that price by how every many recasts are made. For example, a recaster purchases the new iplehouse EID doll scarlet, anticipating that there will be a market for it (which will probably happen.) The recaster spends $650, because he doesn’t need a faceup or outfit or a dark resin color.
The recaster then makes 20 copies of Scarlet. He’s now paid 32 dollars per every Scarlet he owns. Maybe is makes 50 Scarlets. He’s put 50 Scarlets on the market and Iplehouse now sees $13 for every Scarlet on the market manufactured by this particular recaster, and has lost 50 opportunities that belonged to them to make the full price on the doll. They have most certainly lost customers who are affluent enough that had counterfeit options not been presented would have purchased the doll from them directly. Perhaps not all of those 50 recasts went to such people, but at the bare minimum I’d imagine 3 or 4 of the recast owners would have paid full price for the doll otherwise.
Basically, if you want to debate the numbercrunching I’m doing, then feel free, but you need to come off anon and talk actual numbers as opposed to ‘Elijahfeathers is ranting/assuming/flawed math!!!!’ If my math is flawed, then research it and present better math.
And ok, if recasts weren’t available at all ever, what would recast owners have bought instead? Like yes, maybe some would’ve been like “fuck this hobby it’s too expensive,” and gone off to join the MH hobby or something, but I’m willing to bet the rest would’ve bought cheaper options (maybe MSDs instead of SDs, so they end up with JIDs instead of SIDs? Or even *gasp* resinsoul or bobobie or a cheap company!!!). They may not have bought the sculpt they ended up with recast, but they would’ve bought from legit artists.
Imagine how much improvement Resinsoul and Bobobie could make if the money went to them? Imagine how much they could branch out and make more cool cheap dolls?
It doesn’t surprise me at all that the ‘critique’ of EF’s original post is a) done anonymously on a confession blog, b) doesn’t actually do anything to refute the points made, correct the supposedly flawed maths or to present an actual argument in the counter and c) misses the point of the OP entirely.
The way these ‘debates’ play out is so predictable because the pro-theft side of things expect us to have discussions with thin air when they wont own their opinions and instead hide behind anon and fundamentally lacking attempts at rebuttal.
What a joke.